Discussion re the Covid vax debacle, including re 'valid consent' - Charles Kovess and Elizabeth Hart, TNT Radio, 24 June 2023
Contribution by Elizabeth Hart
Hi All, Charles Kovess kindly invited me onto his TNT Mind Medicine program recently to discuss the Covid vax debacle, starts around seven minutes in on this link: https://tntradiolive.podbean.com/e/elizabeth-hart-on-mind-medicine-with-charles-kovess-24-june-2023/ (Charles' intro to his program also includes reference to other interesting topics...)
We had a broad-ranging discussion on the disastrous Covid vaccination issue, particularly about voluntary informed consent.
I’ve transcribed the last bit of our discussion, during which Charles highlights ‘valid consent’ - please see transcript excerpt below.
Our discussion referred to my recent notification/complaint to AHPRA, the regulator of medical practitioners, about Chief Medical Officer Paul Kelly and the violation of voluntary informed consent via Covid vaccination mandates, at the behest of then prime minister Scott Morrison and National Cabinet, see: Notification to AHPRA re medical practitioner Paul Kelly... 16 June 2023. - https://vaccinationispolitical.files.wordpress.com/2023/06/notification-to-ahpra-re-medical-practitioner-paul-kelly.pdf
A catastrophe is looming for the medical profession when people wake up to what's been done to them via vaccination mandates - vaccination without valid/voluntary informed consent...
Please see transcript excerpt below.
Elizabeth Hart
Independent researcher investigating vaccine products and conflicts of interest in vaccination policy
vaccinationispolitical.net
TNT Radio discussion excerpt:
Charles Kovess: We've got four minutes left, what about the liability of doctors now, what about people that have been harmed by these Covid jabs? And with no informed consent. What's your advice to people who have either lost loved ones, or who have been, had serious adverse events? What's the liability of the doctors?
Elizabeth Hart: Well I mean it's clear, they're supposed to be getting informed consent, we've got that in writing, I've got it in writing from the government. Because my colleague Emma McArthur and I, we asked for clarification from both the Morrison Government, and now the Albanese Government - do they have protection? Because that's what the Morrison Government announced. And they had to confess that, no, they don't have it. There's a vaccine claims scheme, but the individual practitioners do not have liability protection. Now the way the courts are at the moment, which is highly biased and skewed - what we need is, we need this out in the court of public opinion. For people to find out what is going on, about what we've been talking about today, about how informed consent has been trashed. That's what we need, to get this talked about. And I've written to the medical insurers, as well as these doctors' organisations, and I've made it clear to them what's going on. These people - I think it's negligence that they're just ignoring what I'm saying.
Charles Kovess: Elizabeth, I want to take it one step further, ok. And here's an important distinction that I bring to your attention, and to listeners' attention. A patient can only be jabbed if they have given informed, voluntary informed consent. But, a doctor is only allowed to jab someone if they have valid consent, ok. An important distinction in terms. So as a matter of law I'm telling you this. So, a valid consent. So, first the patient has to give informed consent. And the patient might say, "look, I'm here, I know this is risky, but I'm having it" and then he says, or she says, to the doctor, "but I'm here under coercion...I'm here under coercion". Now suddenly, that means that the doctor has not got valid consent. Now, that is where I urge every single person who told their doctor or their health professional that they're here under coercion, that they should complain to AHPRA about that injecting person. Because they broke the law applying to them - they're not allowed to just jab someone without valid consent.
Elizabeth Hart: That's the major point - once they knew the person was there under a mandate, they should have stood back and said "I can't do this under a mandate".
Charles Kovess: “I can't do this by law. I cannot do this.”
Elizabeth Hart: But this is important, if we can just fit this in, because it's really important. We're talking about doctors here - it's often not going to be doctors. It's often going to be nurses and pharmacists. And this is a much more subtle thing that we've got to get into, to think about Rogers v Whitaker. This is not a medical expert discussing a medical intervention with a patient. These people aren't 'patients'. Most of the people were not going to be badly affected by Covid. They've been called upon and dictated to by governments and employers and what have you to front up in front of a practitioner. This is complicated now. We've got to say these practitioners have been sort of menaced into giving these interventions themselves. AHPRA has threatened these practitioners not to question anything. This has all got to be teased out for the public. It's really quite complicated. But those practitioners are not qualified to get informed consent, because they're not, nobody is an expert in Covid, and nobody is an expert in Covid injections.
Charles Kovess: Well, well they could arguably say, it's informed, "I know I'm taking the risk, but I have to keep my job". As soon as they say "I have to keep my job", then there's no valid consent from the doctor's perspective. Now, we've got one more minute, what do you, in fact I've got 30 seconds with you, what do you say about these public servants, these bureaucrats, who refuse to answer your questions? Or ministers of government! They're our servants Elizabeth, how dare they not answer your letters!
Elizabeth Hart: They've got to be accountable. And I'm coming for them. I'm going after the individuals who are accountable. That's what we've got to do. Hold them to account.
Charles Kovess: Absolutely. Everybody, we have to hold them to account. And these, the fraud that's been perpetrated on humanity is so egregious, we all have to decide - do not comply, because these government bodies, these public servants are not acting lawfully.